Grimes Wants To Be Less Famous (and Replaced By AI)
Gideon: I hear you're navigating a kind of broad political space. I have heard you speak as one who is in both left and right political groups. You know, it's obvious that a lot of the people you date in Silicon Valley or around Elon are libertarians or conservatives, as are a lot of progressives, I'm guessing from the environment in which you spend time. Do I see correctly that young people are trying to combine different political views and think about how they can be integrated?
Grimes: Yes. I really think one of our biggest problems right now is polarization. For example, I refuse to be left or right. I'm like, you know, like, I'm scared of what we're doing with young people right now and talking to men.
Lauren: What scares you?
Grimes: There's a lot of issues, like male toxicity, but seriously, we tell men they're evil because they can't do anything, that testosterone is like a crazy military drug. . For example, why can't there be a political platform that, for example, allows room and space for masculinity and interprets it as traditional masculinity and then encourages to be better constructively rather than piecemeal, still feels like women's rights and access to abortion and trans rights. It's like, why are these things dichotomous? For example, why are they fighting each other? As-
Lauren: What do you think is an effective way to do this?
Grimes: I… think it's always the gingerbread that's important to me, not the whip. What I'd like to see is something like the good side of masculinity triumphing. For example, how to create a speech that encourages men to, for example, push each other and act gallantly? And like… like the way you romanticize the kind of masculinity that really respects women and keeps discipline, and kind of, I don't know, the kind of all this shit that everybody laughs at, but the kind of… .
Gideon: I understand what you're trying to say again. I mean, it sounds like you just said that the standard way to criticize toxic courage is to try to analyze the courage itself. And instead of-
Grimes: I think that's what happens to… what happens too often is like we're trying to get rid of things that were so, so destructive, I think we're losing our nerve in parts of it altogether. .
Lauren: Should we do a rapid fire round?
Gideon: Sure, I'll start. What keeps you up at night?
Grimes: We have an education crisis across the board, seemingly worldwide.
Gideon Hmm.
Grimes: Pretty much anything to do with how we raise our kids.
Gideon: What makes you optimistic?
Grimes: Young people, children. I see a lot of Gen Z stuff that seems scary and ugly and traumatic, but like every Gen Z person I know personally, I say, “Wow, hell yeah. You are so sick. oh my god, it's such a relief." I mean, my children, you understand that people are actually born very large. We just screwed up, but what a great start. Because we start off as enlightened and, as you know, I_I think that this gives me a strong conviction that the natural state of man is a wonderful state.
